NanoVi® helps balance the autonomic nervous system (ANS), which is essential for having the Best Night Ever – and the best days as well
Dr. Jay Khorsandi, DDS recently interviewed Rowena Gates on his BEST NIGHT EVER podcast. After practicing dentistry for many years, Jay recognized that helping patients with sleep was an even more powerful way to improve the quality their lives. His first clinic, called SnoreExperts was born. In response to demand for his expertise SnoreExperts has opened four additional clinics in the Los Angeles area. In the process of building his practice and searching out the best solutions for patients, Jay became an avid biohacker.
At SnoreExperts, Jay Khorsandi focuses on snoring, sleep apnea and many other related problems. He adopts technologies and techniques that change people’s lives, and above all, he educates them so they can help themselves. As part of his mission to get the word out about the importance of high-quality sleep, and how to get it, Jay started the BEST NIGHT EVER podcast. His interviews fit seamlessly with other topics in the biohacking community because sleep is widely recognized as a cornerstone of health. His valuable insights and the growing popularity of the BEST NIGHT EVER podcast establish Jay as the ‘voice of sleep biohacking’. It was an honor to have NanoVi identified as a valuable technology for sleep – in addition to health in general.
His interview with Rowena covers many health issues, why NanoVi is particularly helpful for sleep, and how it complements other technologies. Enjoy listening to the podcast or have a look at the transcript below.
Best Night Ever Podcast: Sleep & NanoVi
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Transcript of Dr. Jay Khorsandi’s The Best Night Ever podcast interview Rowena Gates
This is Dr. Jay Khorsandi, and you’re listening to The Best Night Ever.
The show that is dedicated to helping you get your best night’s sleep. Over the last 20 years of treating patients, I have worn many hats, including dentist, engineer, psychologist, artist, corporate executive, and more. I found the key to success, health, and longevity lies in sleep, and that is why I created this show. I want to teach you how to make sleep your best friend. Join me on a journey to uncover cutting-edge science, life-changing tips from renowned experts, ancient and modern sleep secrets, game-changing routines, and lifestyle hacks that will educate, inspire, and ultimately help you get the best night ever.
Hey, everyone. In this episode, I have Rowena Gates who is the co-founder of a revolutionary technology called NanoVi. So, I go to a lot of anti-aging health wellness events and they always have these tech halls or exhibit halls full of booths, and her booth is always one of the most packed, full of people, trying out her technology, and I was fascinated with this, and I went up to her, and I talked to her a while back in the markets, and her and her company and the technology, and what it was doing. I more decided that this needs to be something that I investigate.
So, fast forward to about six months ago, and I was finally able to get one of these units for me to use, both on myself and on my patients, and the results were incredible, and we are going to talk about some of those in the podcast. This machine continues to impress me, and hopefully you will see what it can do potentially for you. So, that’s why I wanted to have her on the show to discuss what it is, and in this show we are going to talk about how Rowena and her partner Hans developed this technology, what the NanoVi actually is, and how it works. Also, why it is so popular amongst the biohacking crowd, the high-performance athletes, the wellness crowds, the CEOs, the difference between ordered water and structured water, how the machine reduces oxidative stress and assists in protein folding.
I know this sounds a little technical, and it is, but hopefully we’ll be able to break it down for you, so it can make a little more sense. So, what’s the difference between using this and drinking pomegranate juice for antioxidants, how does this help with DNA repair? And it does. How does this compare to ozone therapy or molecular hydrogen? How this can be a great supplement to hyperbaric oxygen therapy? I am going to be doing a podcast on hyperbaric oxygen therapy coming up shortly, and this was a fantastic complement to that, if you have ever been interested in that. Does the NanoVi reduce inflammation? Who can benefit from using this product or technology? Are there quantifiable benefits, the big one here is how does it help with recovery? Which is what I use it primarily for. It can also help with aging, and one of the big ones is, it can help with sleep, because we always like to talk about how we can optimize our sleep on this show, and we will talk about Rowena’s personal night routine. So, we will get a little glimpse on how she likes to wind down her day, and more.
So, if you’re interested in in seeing some of these things in action, that I talk about on the show, you can always follow me on my Instagram, it is @sleepbiohacker. I am someone who likes to hack my sleep, hence the podcast, but the Instagram is called sleep biohacker, and as always if you enjoyed this episode, please share or tag or send it. I think it is very easy on the iTunes app at least to click those three little dots and just text it over to someone who you think might benefit from this technology, and other than that on to the show.
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Dr. Jay Khorsandi: Okay, we are live. Rowena welcome to the show.
Rowena Gates: Hi, it is a pleasure to be here Jay.
Dr. Jay Khorsandi: All right, so we are going to be talking about this fascinating technology. I am super excited to have you on here. This is something that you and your partner have developed, and it has been in the making for almost 10 years now. So, a lot has gone into this thing, it is called the NanoVi, is that right?
Rowena Gates: That’s right.
Dr. Jay Khorsandi: Okay, but before we get into that, I just wanted to kind of touch base with what you have done in your past. This is not your first adventure into technology, you used to do some other stuff with some heavy hitters back in the day.
Rowena Gates: Yeah, back in the 90s, I was one of those early internet-based entrepreneurs. So, I am actually a serial entrepreneur, it’s all I have done.
Dr. Jay Khorsandi: Okay, and these days you are focused on this technology device called the NanoVi, right?
Rowena Gates: Correct.
Dr. Jay Khorsandi: Okay, so what led you to come up with this device?
Rowena Gates: Well, all the credit on the technology is my partner’s Hans Eng.
Dr. Jay Khorsandi: Okay, Hans Eng.
Rowena Gates: He has a background in material science, and has looked at proteomics, and there are areas there that he was drawing on and looking at the natural triggers for repair, one is a reactive oxygen species. It is actually a free radical that triggers repair as well, and so in looking at what that signal was, what that wavelength was, he determined that it could be made artificially. He was kind of digging in on the science and then worked through to the solution, that is now the NanoVi.
Dr. Jay Khorsandi: Okay, so with a name like Hans, he is obviously from Germany, right?
Rowena Gates: He is from Germany.
Dr. Jay Khorsandi: Yes, I have listened to some of his podcasts with some other people, and he has got quite a lovely German accent.
Rowena Gates: Yes.
Dr. Jay Khorsandi: This is great, and his background, you said is in material science and biophysics and things like that.
Rowena Gates: And engineering.
Dr. Jay Khorsandi: So, perfect fit for this kind of technology, which people listening right now are going, you know, “what is this thing, right”? And before we get into a deeper dive into what this thing is and how it can help you and change lives, I want to try and describe it or ask you to describe it. I have had it for a while now, and in my practice, I have been having patients try it, I have let friends and family try it, and before I let them do it, I try to describe what it is, and man I have tried all kinds of different ways to kind of give them a little preview of what they are going to be in for, but what would be the kind of the quick, let us say 30-second description of what this thing is?
Rowena Gates: Okay, it sit sits on a tabletop, about the size of a small printer, and it has tubing that comes from it, and you breathe humidified air from the end of the tubing, and it is the humidity, the water droplets that are the secret sauce. They have been adjusted by the device, so that they will influence biology.
Dr. Jay Khorsandi: Okay, all right, I have called it the magic anti-aging machine, but I do not know if that is… _
Rowena Gates: It is, it is.
Dr. Jay Khorsandi: The name is called NanoVi. How did you come up with that name, because I have been telling people that, and I was wondering about it?
Rowena Gates: Well, nano is at the very small scale, and Vi is really vibration. What we are doing is biophysics, and at a certain level, you are shaking things up, and so that is really where it comes from, it also could be taken to be Vi as life in for Latin, and so it was a good name that way.
Dr. Jay Khorsandi: Like a little life?
Rowena Gates: Yeah.
Dr. Jay Khorsandi: Cute.
Rowena Gates: Life at a very small scale. We are working in proteomics, they are just very, very tiny.
Dr. Jay Khorsandi: Yes, I would say this machine kind of goes into that quantum realm almost a little bit.
Rowena Gates: Hans might not agree with you on that, but there is lots of people that would.
Dr. Jay Khorsandi: Okay, all right, yeah, we are going to get Hans on here next time.
Rowena Gates: Exactly.
Dr. Jay Khorsandi: Speaking of Hans too. So, this device it is from Germany, is it manufactured there.
Rowena Gates: It’s German engineering, but it was actually developed and is manufactured in the US.
Dr. Jay Khorsandi: Okay, and with that engineering, I know I am a big fan of German products and cars, Mercedes, BMW, Porsche, all these things, they are known for being very precise, and that is one of the things I have noticed when I have it is that everything is so precise, accurate, solid, stable, and you just know that it is built with a lot of intention, I guess. So, do you think this is some of the characteristics that make this stand out as kind of like this premier device?
Rowena Gates: It absolutely is and it is part of what you are investing in. Everything in that device is built to last a very, very long time, probably longer than my lifetime.
Dr. Jay Khorsandi: Yeah, I mean is there stuff that wears out in there, you need to like oil change.
Rowena Gates: There is really the weakest part is specified for 40,000 sessions of the device you have, and there is no reason that part should fail at that point, it is just at a minimum it would be 40,000 sessions. So it is a lot, and then if that part did fail, you would just replace it. Because we built everything in Seattle, if a part failed we would just replace it.
Dr. Jay Khorsandi: I got you.
Rowena Gates: Yeah, it is really a long-term investment.
Dr. Jay Khorsandi: Yeah, and I have used it a bunch. I have been transporting it around in this little black case, which is so snug and precise, and it has little wheels, roll it around, and yeah, this thing kind of takes a beating and keeps on ticking, so very cool. It has been a favorite of the wellness/antiaging; or you might call it biohacking crowd, for a while now. I mean I have seen people like Dave Asprey, who you know. Ben Greenfield, Dan Pompa, Luke Storey, all these guys, they love this thing, and they just cannot stop raving about it. Sports, athletes, and I know we were talking off mike as well too – about pro athletes. So, why are so many of these industry leaders embracing this?
Rowena Gates: Well, one thing is, it’s got no downside, and it makes other things better, and everybody you mentioned is doing really important things, lots of different things, and it is a device that can amp up everything else. So, you kind of get this double upside with it, it does not matter if you are doing hyperbarics or PEMF or red-light therapy, whatever it might be, it just makes it better.
Dr. Jay Khorsandi: So, it is almost like a secret competitive advantage.
Rowena Gates: Exactly, and I should mention it also stands in its own right of course, you don’t have to do anything else at all, and it is a very measurable benefit.
Dr. Jay Khorsandi: All right, so when you look at this machine, I mean I think the first time I saw it, it was probably online and then I have seen it at a lot of these conferences and wellness events that you have been to, and you guys have a booth and exhibit. You see this little box, you see this little bendable arm, and you see a little jar with bubbling water and lights changing, right? So, this machine is basically utilizing water to perform a function, is that correct?
Rowena Gates: Correct.
Dr. Jay Khorsandi: Okay, and the water like you had mentioned in the beginning is exclusion zone or ordered water, right? And this is something that has been the research of Dr. Gerald Pollack up in your neighborhood in Washington area?
Rowena Gates: Yes.
Dr. Jay Khorsandi: Okay, so can you explain what this exclusion zone water is?
Rowena Gates: I might not do it justice, but the simple explanation is that it is a fourth phase of water and it is more like a gel than like ice or liquid or vapor, It is called exclusion zone because the water molecules are closely packed together, and when they are pack together, they push out any other objects, so it excludes other particles or it is sort of a gel state that nothing else can exist in.
Dr. Jay Khorsandi: And what does it do or what is its function or what is the benefit of it?
Rowena Gates: Well, it has got this sort of special property in the human body and there is a lot more research being done on the various ways the body is using ordered water or exclusion zone water. If you think of any of the small containers, like cells or the capillaries, that is where exclusion water will form is on the surfaces, and it is not a thick layer, it is just a thin layer on the surfaces, and so you have to have a very small container for it to form. Then because it is ordered within the cells, and what relates to NanoVi, there is a transfer in energy, and it is really an entropy from the ordered water to the disordered chain of amino acids that make up a protein, and those amino acids have to fold into a very complex structure. To do that, they need energy, and so they are fed that energy from the water, which would then become a little less ordered while the protein takes its 3D structure. Then the body keeps essentially replenishing the order in the cellular water, so that the activities can continue. What we did is we copied what the body was doing to replenish the ordered cellular water. We did it artificially and then we transferred that across humidified water droplets, which are also very small containers for that water, that have been proven to have that ordered water on the shell of the water droplet. Then that hits the mucous membrane and goes into the system and just contributes to the ordered water in the system.
Dr. Jay Khorsandi: Okay, well that was pretty good, I mean I think for people listening out there, I think the fundamental takeaway with this is almost energy, right? I mean we are giving the body something that it uses and it runs out of, or runs less of, and then this is a supplemental energy, I guess. So, would that be like a way to explain it?
Rowena Gates: Yes, that is a good way to explain it, and as we age we are less able to create this ordered water state, because things start to not work as well. So you want to get out of that downward spiral, you want to augment and keep things moving nicely.
Dr. Jay Khorsandi: Okay, so this ordered water, exclusion zone, easy water. I have also heard the word structured water; this is not that or is that different or what is going on there?
Rowena Gates: Structured water is, I look at that as being a very big umbrella, and the ordered water would fit under that umbrella, but structured water often means many other things besides the state that we are talking about here, and that would include things like Emoto’s work with influencing water with words, and there is all kinds of really amazing wonderful properties of water. It is just that the part we are working with is a fairly narrow band, and so the ordered water is a bit more precise.
Dr. Jay Khorsandi: I got you, yeah and I have read his book. I think it is fascinating this stuff, and I have talked about it in other podcasts as well about my kind of fascination with water these days and the properties that it can impart. So, I’m a big fan of anything that has to do with water manipulation, I guess.
Rowena Gates: I think we are going to learn a lot more. I think we are going to see a lot more in the next 20 years on water, and just what a remarkable substance it is.
Dr. Jay Khorsandi: Yeah, so speaking of this ordered water, easy water, it is produced in nature, can I go buy a bottle of this at the store or our bodies you said make it, but we become less efficient over time?
Rowena Gates: It needs an energy state, and so it will not store. Think of it like a bottle of water that has been heated up, but once you put it on the store shelf, it loses it, and so people will sell structured water which could be doing something different, and you can structure water by adding things that can improve its use by the human body. There can be good things you can do to water, but what we do cannot be stored in a bottle.
Dr. Jay Khorsandi: Yeah, so speaking of that, and I have talked to Martin, one of your employees there, regarding the nasal cannula. So, for people listening and if they are still wondering what this is, you know we are talking about a little box here with a kind of bendable arm and then there is like a little cylinder at the end, that you can either breathe in by putting it close to your nose, like an inch or two away, and you will feel this like vibration or pulse type thing and a little bit of water vapor, or you can use nasal cannulas, which people use like if you think of like oxygen therapy, these have two little prongs that go in your nose. So, one of the questions I had for Martin, I said well can I get like a six-foot long hose, and he said no I do not recommend that, because the distance that it is traveling, that energy is being lost, right? So, you want to have it as quickly as possible, is that correct?
Rowena Gates: Correct, and the inner surface of the cannula is not perfectly smooth, so that can impede those little droplets from moving along intact.
Dr. Jay Khorsandi: That is why I have been sticking my face right up to this. Like I want to get it as high of a dose as possible. So, I have been getting really close to that, and it is been very meditative. I know we were talking again off mike, but you know when I have been using it on my patients here, the act of just sitting there and breathing this and there is a little pulse effect to it, is relaxing for me and for many people, when you are just sitting, as long as you are not messing around on your phone and sending a bunch of text and emails, if you are just literally sitting there, breathing this in and there is such a nice, almost parasympathetic response, where you are just kind of relaxing. Whether it is the machine doing it or in conjunction with just sitting quietly and breathing.
Rowena Gates: It is both. Anytime you sit quietly and breathe, that is going to bring you out of a stress mode, but the device can definitely be measured against, a non-functioning device (placebo) or just sitting there, and it definitely helps bring the system into the parasympathetic mode for virtually everybody. Most people have too much stress and not enough relaxation.
Dr. Jay Khorsandi: I have the other problem. I have too much relaxation. I do not know who has too much relaxation, but yeah. So, when you use this, it is again, and you mentioned this is almost like aerosolize, almost like a nebulizer, like an asthma inhaler, so that tends to be the best delivery method for this signaling molecule or water.
Rowena Gates: Yes, because the water droplets are so small that they will hold that energy state, the ordered water. So, that is the best. We do not know of any other way to deliver it.
Dr. Jay Khorsandi: Yeah, okay, and we talked about this in the beginning too. So, this machine, I guess the whole point of this conversation or this technology is the machine is here to help improve lives, correct? And I think the main function of this is, I think twofold right? We are talking about reduction in oxidative stress and an increase in protein folding function, does that sound right?
Rowena Gates: Yeah, and they are combined, they are coupled together, because it is the proteins that will fix the damage done by oxidative stress, and the proteins are doing all the work as well.
Dr. Jay Khorsandi: Let us talk about protein folding. I mean this is something that is a little bit out there for people probably listening, but when I think of folding, I am thinking of laundry. So, we are talking about strands of amino acids, that for them to function they need energy and they need, I mean, you can probably explain it better than I can.
Rowena Gates: Well, there is a lot to protein folding. I think some simple ways to think of it is like a string of beads, a long chain and then it forms a really complicated twisted contorted 3D structure, and to do that, it needs to be bonded in places that hold the thing in place, and those are energy bonds, so to form the shape and hold the shape, it needs that energy. This is the part that we are sort of donating to with our technology. There is really interesting study results, showing the actual impact on unfolded proteins, proteins that are damaged in different ways, like radiation or heat or chemically, and then measuring how they are able to refold and repair and work correctly. The science has been really compelling, it is really exciting. Results are not released yet, but there is a publication that they are getting ready.
Dr. Jay Khorsandi: Yeah, I mean when I first heard the word protein folding, I had to do a little bit of research, but now that I get the idea behind it, I can start to really appreciate the science, and what’s actually going “behind the scenes” of this. Then the other facet that we were talking about is oxidative stress, and I think you touched on it, where we are getting bombarded every day with stressors, whether it is environmental, you know, it is pollution, if it is EMF, if it is toxins in the air, if it is food. I mean these are all putting a load on our body, right? And the result of t
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